this is not about sensible laws. there are very few people, as you pointed out, that are opposed to background checks so that crazy people don't get guns. everybody's for that. and sensible, thoughtful gun owners are for this. but the nra needs to raise money. they want to crank their membership up and scare people, and they mostly want to scare people in washington so they can get their way. that's what this is about. >> james, let's talk about the money, honey. in terms of cash, bloomberg has thrown out a $12 million figure, which is not chump change. that said, the nra spent, i think, $25 million in the last election cycle, trying to get candidates to do their bidding, what do you make of that number? what do you make of his efforts? are they going to be enough in the long run to push back on the nra's efforts? >> look, you saw karl rove, who's essentially an nra spokesman. he went on sunday morning tv and he actually got confused. he thought he was on fox, so he started spewing a bunch of falsehoods, and he got s